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[Can'tPickaWinner2]

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[whochairs]

OWAD Anyone?

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[vitterd]

OWAD Anyone?

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Your First post asking for this guy? Hmmmmmmm

Maybe you can buy and share for all.

 

[whochairs]

my first post, but i just starting following him and this site. I will surley buy a season pass if hes good. i appreciate your concern.

 

[mojohnny2]

my first post, but i just starting following him and this site. I will surley buy a season pass if hes good. i appreciate your concern.

Welcome Who, glad your here!

 

[whochairs]

Welcome Who, glad your here!

Thanks a lot!

 

[mrmoneymaker]

Any one see Jimmy boyd's plays for today?

 

[ScottL]

The Center of the Handicapping Universe GodsTips is now 16-7 the last 23 with five straight winning days. Mr. March has two locks for tonight in college basketball. One is a Wise Guy side, the other a Major. Again, both night games at OffshoreInsiders.com

Needless to say don't fall for any of this Duffy guy's BS or buy any picks from his fictitious handicappers.

 

[joeduffy]

Scott, this is coming from a guy who worked for MS? LMAO.

Look, I know you are still bitter from me catching you with your "all games are fixed" crank calls. Get over it. I'm not going to waste my time or the board's time getting into a shat contest. While it amounts to a he said/Landau said thing anyway, i think we both know when it comes to facts, you will lose any shat slinging. I hope you found a new hobby since caller ID was invented. How lonely you must be.

 

[savage1]

Needless to say don't fall for any of this Duffy guy's BS or buy any picks from his fictitious handicappers.

Yeah-I used to refer to him and his cohorts when they used to be at godspicks as the "Scream Team"(they called themselves the "Dream Team") because they would shout it from the rooftop when they had a big winning day, but when a big pick lost or they had a losing day, well lets just say that the "Sounds of Silence" set it. lol

 

[joeduffy]

Yeah-I used to refer to him and his cohorts when they used to be at godspicks as the "Scream Team"(they called themselves the "Dream Team") because they would shout it from the rooftop when they had a big winning day, but when a big pick lost or they had a losing day, well lets just say that the "Sounds of Silence" set it. lol

Paul, all you have to do is ask. It is addressed on the site. I disagree with Matt at times who likes to always address losing days, but we set the bar higher. http://offshoreinsiders.com/index.php?PageID=2

I have been thinking of using your plays as I visit your website every day. However you never talk about losers. Am I supposed to believe that you never lose?

I can say with a clear conscience that I believe that you will not get better selections anywhere. However the best products of any kind must not ignore the basic principles of Advertising 101.

Marketing is not defined as an objective rundown of the pros and cons of a product. Movies and restaurants do not post bad reviews with the good ones. Automobiles do not promote anything negative said in Consumer Reports, just the positives. Mc Donald’s does not publicize the calories or cholesterol levels of their products and Firestone I am confident will never mention the world “recall” in their commercials nor will any of the thousands of products that are recalled every year.

I live and die my selections, but I also need to keep the basic principles of advertising in mind. There will be no inaccurate records posted. I could tell the entire world every time that I lost but in fairness I would have to ask all the Ph.D. professors that I had who taught me to focus on the positive when advertising a product to retroactively lower my grades for throwing those principles out the window. I believe I will win for you more than anyone on the planet will. I will also lose. But it would not be wise to advertise losing days. It does make me dishonest, as I am not. But it does make me a bit in tune with how marketing works.

Anyone could flip a coin, admit to picking heads when tails won. That takes about 30 seconds a day of “honest” handicapping.If you upgrade to wanting a QUALITY handicapper, we are here for you.

But if merely talking about losers is all you want, I can respect that. Let me know if you decide to have as few losers as possible to talk about, a handicapper who would rather learn from losers than merely clear his conscience by talking about them.

Personally I hate losing and telling the world about it really doesn’t lesson the pain. I’d prefer to have clients that feel the same way. I do.

It is not my policy to elevate myself by bringing down other handicappers. But I will try to say this as tactful as possible.

When we formed it, we knew that it was imperative to first spend a ton of money making sure we had the best handicappers to promote. We spent a lot of money purchasing plays and “scouting” a ton of handicappers, including a few on that list. We came up with a wish list and spent a lot of money turning that list into reality. Only the best made the cut. We didn’t recruit any of your “honest” handicappers. I hope that is as delicate as possible.

But then again, admitting to losers was not a criterion on our checklist. Bluntly, we set the bar much, much higher. I do mean much higher.

But to each his own.

 

[savage1]

Paul, all you have to do is ask. It is addressed on the site. I disagree with Matt at times who likes to always address losing days, but we set the bar higher. http://offshoreinsiders.com/index.php?PageID=2

I have been thinking of using your plays as I visit your website every day. However you never talk about losers. Am I supposed to believe that you never lose?

I can say with a clear conscience that I believe that you will not get better selections anywhere. However the best products of any kind must not ignore the basic principles of Advertising 101.

Marketing is not defined as an objective rundown of the pros and cons of a product. Movies and restaurants do not post bad reviews with the good ones. Automobiles do not promote anything negative said in Consumer Reports, just the positives. Mc Donald’s does not publicize the calories or cholesterol levels of their products and Firestone I am confident will never mention the world “recall” in their commercials nor will any of the thousands of products that are recalled every year.

I live and die my selections, but I also need to keep the basic principles of advertising in mind. There will be no inaccurate records posted. I could tell the entire world every time that I lost but in fairness I would have to ask all the Ph.D. professors that I had who taught me to focus on the positive when advertising a product to retroactively lower my grades for throwing those principles out the window. I believe I will win for you more than anyone on the planet will. I will also lose. But it would not be wise to advertise losing days. It does make me dishonest, as I am not. But it does make me a bit in tune with how marketing works.

Anyone could flip a coin, admit to picking heads when tails won. That takes about 30 seconds a day of “honest” handicapping.If you upgrade to wanting a QUALITY handicapper, we are here for you.

But if merely talking about losers is all you want, I can respect that. Let me know if you decide to have as few losers as possible to talk about, a handicapper who would rather learn from losers than merely clear his conscience by talking about them.

Personally I hate losing and telling the world about it really doesn’t lesson the pain. I’d prefer to have clients that feel the same way. I do.

It is not my policy to elevate myself by bringing down other handicappers. But I will try to say this as tactful as possible.

When we formed it, we knew that it was imperative to first spend a ton of money making sure we had the best handicappers to promote. We spent a lot of money purchasing plays and “scouting” a ton of handicappers, including a few on that list. We came up with a wish list and spent a lot of money turning that list into reality. Only the best made the cut. We didn’t recruit any of your “honest” handicappers. I hope that is as delicate as possible.

But then again, admitting to losers was not a criterion on our checklist. Bluntly, we set the bar much, much higher. I do mean much higher.

But to each his own.

Ok-I understnad things from YOUR point of view.
To play Devil's Advocate, that is why Consumer's Report and folks like Ralph Nader exist-namely to tell the other side of the story.
If you are not aware, I have run a number of threads at another forum for 0ver 5 years(the NC Basketball Comp. Line is my favorite), exposing Northcoast, Phil Steele and his assistants for that which you are implicitly defending-namely half truths, deception, records spun over carefully selected time frames and anything else which they would deem as "putting their best foot forward" but which I would deem as trying "to pull the wool over the eyes" of potential subscribers.
I also have exposed Sebastian, Lang and the FAKE/non existent Sean Michaels, Feiner and a number of others when I see something out of whack.
I went back and checked your site for what was posted a number of years ago, and I noticed that Jack Stroud was mentioned-very interesting because i know for a FACT that he and Mike Anthony are/were one in the same person-is allowing a capper to go by different names ok in your opinion?
I recall a lot-what about Jonathan Mardukas-was he with you guys and/or was he just another made-up name which someone else used to peddle another set of picks.
In any case and to summarize, in this country anyone has the right to conduct his business any way in which he/she chooses provided there is not just downright fraud and/or folks are hurt because of it-others like me have the right to offer criticisms for the manner in which the said business is corrected.
That said and as someone said years ago back in the late 70s, "Sports services operate within the shadow of the law."
What that means to me is that technically they(sports services) may not be considered legal as they give out picks for an activity, sports gamblng, which is allegedly illegal except in Nevada(but obviously is overlooked as many folks bet with their Locals or Offshores every day)-obviously all sports services put the disclaimer on their website that the picks are for information only and not to be used in violation of any federal, state or local laws-yeah right!
The implication of all this is that sports services can pretty much say and do what they please as the inherent activity, sports gambling, is not enforced except that occassionally as was the case with Sebastian, there is a big sting operation-that however doesn't apply much to average folks who gamble every day.
Thus, from my point of view I would like to see honesty and/or at the very least fair and balanced reporting.
Hope that helps to show you where I am coming from.

 

[joeduffy]

I will admit much of what you say is based on facts, but does not mean it is 100 percent true. It’s not.

First of all, of course many handicappers use aliases. Frankly the No. 1 reason is people like Scott Landau. When I worked scorephones, we had this one guy who was known as “the Wacko”, who cranked called us damn close to every night, sometimes dozens of times a night.

It was some dumb luck and amateur sleuthing that we finally found out it was Scott Landau of Philadelphia, PA. I was the one who put the pieces together. He will never forgive me for it, though he should instead be thankful we decided not to press criminal charges.

It only takes one person like him—and he did freak us out—to cancel out the 99 percent of clients who are perfectly normal and stable. Secondly, like disc jockeys, actors, etc “stage names” are chosen for branding, etc.

The original owner of the scorephones sold it to a known scamdicapper. He demanded hard sell and a lot of other tactics that many felt destroyed the brand they worked hard built up.

One or two wanted to take their talents and disassociate them from the brands ran into the ground by the person who wrote the paychecks. Those brands were not done simultaneously.

Also, there is no dispute who owns the talents, there may have been legal/moral questions who owned the brand, the “intellectual property.” It’s happened in the entertainment and other worlds and it’s happened in the sports handicapping business.

Sorry, virtually every person you mentioned was a real person. The fact some used a stage name doesn’t mean they didn’t exist or detracts from the quality of the plays. I personally wouldn’t have chosen movie characters as a stage name, but again, that was their choice.

I’ve seen you blast some entities I have no love lost for. The schadenfreude part of me enjoyed their comeuppance. The fairness part of me wished that you got a higher percentage of your facts correct.

 

[savage1]

I understand your points, but as far as saying every person is real, well then tell me about Sean Michaels.
The fact is that the guy currently picture as Sean Michaels bears ZERO facial resemblance to the guy who was pictured on another site a number od years ago.
Feiner and someone else very close to the situation in the last week came out and admitted that the old Sean Michaels was in fact Lang, which I suspected and stated many times right along.
There is a Sean Michaeles, who is Feiner's oldest son, Sean Michaels, aging porn star and Sean Michaels, pro wrestler, but show me a Sean Michaels with a birth certificate tio prove it!
Re; Mike Anthony/Sean Michaels-Clark Kent/Superman-why would he bother to go by two different names?
Also, please tell me SPECIFICALLY which "facts" I stated are incorrect.
You may in fact be correct-I am far from infallible and would like to know where I erred.

 

[joeduffy]

Again, I am not the watchdog of my competitors. I will let them speak for themselves. It was like the guy who posted alleged internal memos HERE from an entity I don’t have a lot of love for.

The guy should have done what many of us did, move on the entities that are more in line with our beliefs instead of being a vengeful, bitter, and petty former employee. I am guessing he is a source of a lot of your stuff.

I may or may not know the answer to those question, but I’m not here to throw others under the bus. It’s counterproductive for me to declare war on other entities. It’s not my style.

 

[savage1]

Again, I am not the watchdog of my competitors. I will let them speak for themselves. It was like the guy who posted alleged internal memos HERE from an entity I don’t have a lot of love for.

The guy should have done what many of us did, move on the entities that are more in line with our beliefs instead of being a vengeful, bitter, and petty former employee. I am guessing he is a source of a lot of your stuff.

I may or may not know the answer to those question, but I’m not here to throw others under the bus. It’s counterproductive for me to declare war on other entities. It’s not my style.

For the record I don't have anyone who I rely on for my stuff as you call it.
My careful documentation for example of NC and how they present themselves is based on many years of following them and updating DAILY their tricks, antics and deceptions for the last five years plus.
As I am sure you are aware, I go back a long, long way to when the services started back in the mid to late 70's, and I have formed some opinions over the years on various cappers based on my perceptions and empirical evidence-the longer the capper has been around the more valid I consider my opinion to be for obvious reasons.
Anyways, as in all fairness, I have not really followed you that much since the godspicks days and don't know how you presently operate, I don't think it really fair of me to evaluate you at this point and I wish you the best of luck and taking the time to read and respond to my posts.
ps Whatever happened to the Amazing Cadillac Club? Who is in charge now?
Every so often one of the comp. lines I call gives out a pick from them.

 

[TimesYours]

Savage, I like to thank you for educating members like me that are new to this game. I don't have the time, knowledge or resources to follow all the Pro and Collegiate Sports and on occassion like to listen to some of the guys you have mentioned to get their opinions on certain games. You have certainly opened my eyes to some of the antics that go on behind the curtain.
Joe Duffy, you seem to be a stand-up guy and straight shooter who did his best to provide his customers with picks and was savy enough not to blow yourself up on down runs. You certainly didn't have to reply to Savage being somewhat close to some of these peope he mentioned, I applaud you for doing so and being as honest as you could be and shedding the light on some of the allegations that were made.
With all that being said I think I represent a lot of guys that try and cap games themselves but on occassion like to see if they are on the right side by checking with "The Professionals." I'm quite aware of the expression "buyer beware" but we all don't have the inside info s to who is just scamming and who does this whoeheartedly to try and help players win.
I'm alittle more informed now thanks to you 2 guys. This was a rare insight to the masses of some of the things that go on in this business. With that being said could either one of you mention names or services that are on the opposite end of the spectrum and care as much in helping payers win as opposed to just making money and changing names and so forth? Thanks in advance....................Bob

 

[savage1]

Savage, I like to thank you for educating members like me that are new to this game. I don't have the time, knowledge or resources to follow all the Pro and Collegiate Sports and on occassion like to listen to some of the guys you have mentioned to get their opinions on certain games. You have certainly opened my eyes to some of the antics that go on behind the curtain.
Joe Duffy, you seem to be a stand-up guy and straight shooter who did his best to provide his customers with picks and was savy enough not to blow yourself up on down runs. You certainly didn't have to reply to Savage being somewhat close to some of these peope he mentioned, I applaud you for doing so and being as honest as you could be and shedding the light on some of the allegations that were made.
With all that being said I think I represent a lot of guys that try and cap games themselves but on occassion like to see if they are on the right side by checking with "The Professionals." I'm quite aware of the expression "buyer beware" but we all don't have the inside info s to who is just scamming and who does this whoeheartedly to try and help players win.
I'm alittle more informed now thanks to you 2 guys. This was a rare insight to the masses of some of the things that go on in this business. With that being said could either one of you mention names or services that are on the opposite end of the spectrum and care as much in helping payers win as opposed to just making money and changing names and so forth? Thanks in advance....................Bob

Bob-sorry I didn't see your post until now.
Thanks for the kudos.
As far as mentioning names, my advice is simply to read the posts here and go with whoever is hot in the short run-Owad for one seems to be getting a lot of well deserved attention of late.
Just write down someof the guys you think are good and keep track of their plays for a while.
IMO all of these guys blow hot and cold, and winning is a matter of luck and jumping on and off of the right train at the right time.
I know that is general but that is pretty how I feel.
Beware of services like the NC Community Cappers though as they are sleazy and as I have documented at the other forum for over five years, you have to be careful because the folks doing the comp. line over there lie, deceive, spin, omit, use only favorable times frames and in general do anything to give the impression that these guys are good over time when in fact all they do is backload a few cappers who have been hot for a few days, rave about them and give a totally false impression.
Usually by the time you jump on one of these short term hot streaks they talk about, it is too late and you will lose.
At the other forum I have documented that one playing all of the comps.(these are actual plays) has lost around 85K at $1000 a pop(plus juice and $8500 at $100 a bet over the last 2 1/2 years.